Legislation that could effect us all

Wicked Color

Tiger Shark
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#1
Congress will be voting on legislation putting in place laws censoring media and opening the doors to all kinds of lawsuits and domain shut downs.
Even masc could be in danger as there are many links to material in question, and even our previous logo would have been grounds for such action under the proposed law.
Wikipedia, Craigslist and even Google are all participating in some form of blackout in protest.
If passed into law, the internet we know could become a totally different beast.:(
 

the_fish_man

Nurse Shark
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#2
Is this SOAPA?
 

Wicked Color

Tiger Shark
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#3
WIKI;
Imagine a World Without Free Knowledge
For over a decade, we have spent millions of hours building the largest encyclopedia in human history. Right now, the U.S. Congress is considering legislation that could fatally damage the free and open Internet. For 24 hours, to raise awareness, we are blacking out Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
CRAIGSLIST;
STOP PIPA (Senate 968) & SOPA (HR 3261)
Imagine a world without craigslist, Wikipedia, Google, [your favorite sites here]...
News Corp, RIAA, MPAA, Nike, Sony, Comcast, VISA & others want to make that world your reality.
80 Members of Congress are in their sway, 30 against, the rest undecided or undeclared.
Please take a minute to tell your Members of Congress you OPPOSE PIPA & SOPA
CLICK HERE for MORE INFO & EASY ACTION ITEMS
PS: corporate paymasters, KEEP THOSE CLAMMY HANDS OFF THE INTERNET!
http://denver.craigslist.org/
 

Mini T

Sting ray
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#5
Google is the biggest infringer on copyrights. There is a reason they are protesting it. People like me make money from our copyrighted works, so If everyone steals it we can't afford to create it. It costs a ton of money to create, it's not free for us and it shouldn't be free for people to use it.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#6
something does need to be done to protect copyrights ....i think PIPA and SOPA are a little extreme though if it allows for sites like craigslist to be shut down merely because selling second hand hurts retail sales
 

djkms

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#7
I am so fn sick of our government. They are little by little controlling everything and taking away our liberties and rights every day as we the sheeple sit back and watch it happen. On my way to work I was listening to the radio and some asshat politician is trying to ban pajamas in public! Really!?!?!

You guys do realize they are passing laws that directly take away our constitutional rights. Just this year they passed the NDAA, national security my ***. We are on a way to a police state folks. NDAA declares the USA a "battleground" and states that a US citizen can be detained and held without trial.

Oooohhh man don't even get me started....

Back to the topic at hand, when are they going to learn. You cant stop piracy! Put all the stupid bills into law that you want. The pirates are not bound by law so there will always be a way around them. I understand you worked hard for your "intellectual property" but for every 1 pirate there is I would guess there are 20 people willing to pay for the "property". Piracy has not put any artist in the poor house. Its not lost money because its money the person would have never given you anyways. Now if the pirate steals your property and sells it, thats a different story, but the kid who steals music or movies would not pay for it otherwise.

I have a feeling this thread is going to get locked lol.
 
#8
Laws like this do not stop the crimes from being committed they only detour honest people from temptation and provide legal means for the victims to seek restitution and punishment from the perp.
The restitution and punishment only occur in a low percentage of the crimes committed.
Most people dont even know just how often they become victims, and even after awareness its 50/50 for a normal person to seek or be provided restitution.
The effort and expense to maintain these laws far excedes the damages the crimes actually incur.
We spend billions upon billions of dollars to detour drugs being brought into our country, yet they are more readily available than ever they just cost more.
In a copyright arguement the owner has always had the means to seek restitution on infringement. That is why we have copyrights, patents, and both corporate and private party possesion laws.
The new laws proposed dont change the rights for the individual entity to protect their property, but allow others a gateway to benefit or seek legal action and restitution for property and situations that they have no business being involved.
This set of laws is much like the slew of other constitutional infringements that gave been passed in the last 20 years. We strive so hard to protect freedoms we would imprison the whole world to give them *freedom*
People who intend to shoot someone in the face dobt care if the gun is legal, people who pirate a movie or song with intent to distribute it on the name of "information freedom" dont care about the laws in place or about the copyright owner.

This entire situation, including my post is a waste of time effort and money. If we spent half the time and money wasted on garbage like this on better programs and tactics of improving our economy and quality of life in this country people wouldnt be put in a situation of temptation to steal in any way.
Having been outsourced of my previous career and 60k a year salary several years ago due to **** poor trade and monopoly regulations I would have been easily swayed to steal the things I need or want if I hadnt had the concept of working for what I want pounded into my head from birth.
Im not jaded I moved on, but it woukd have been a lot easier if our gov hadnt allowed companies the loopholes and bail outs to do it.
Slightly off subject at this point, but long story short we have better things to devote time and effort on than **** like these laws.

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Mini T

Sting ray
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#9
It's not a constitutional right to infringe upon copyrights. I'm sick of businesses building billion dollar businesses on the back of infringed copyrights. They don't create anything, they steal it. Sort of like the groupon business model creating a whole industry off the backs of small business owners.

I would guess a fair percentage of people pay when they have no other choice, and yes, it does hurt creators financially. Just like any other business that has to deal with theft of your product.
 
#10
Creators have a means to detour and recoup, its not great but its there.
These laws dont change that they allow people/companies to piggy back on ur situation.
If anything laws that alter or strengthen the rights holder should be created/modified.
Trust me I feel for the creators that have their creations violated stolen or profited on by others, but this a terrible solution.


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#11
Have to go back to work but will be following the thread. Hopefully it stays flame free so we can keep the platform. To all who posted thank you for insightful and quality personal opinions.

Lol u dont see that often when talk turns to politics.

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Mini T

Sting ray
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#13
After looking at the "for" and "against" lists just now, I noticed most of the people on the "for" list were content creators and those on the "against" list were those who profit from not having to pay for the creation of the content they share.
 

hurrafreak

Orca
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#14
djkms;135513 said:
I have a feeling this thread is going to get locked lol.
The MASC BOD are BIG believers in your right to give your opinion and say whatever you like as long as you are not being disrespectful, derogatory, rude, etc. Unless threads like this get out of hand we honestly don't care what you all debate about :)
 

chrislorentz

Dolphin
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#15
I know it is not everybody, but you know if you are one of them. You didn't care when the government decided it could spy on you without a warrant. You didn't care when they started telling you what you could eat. You didn't care when your kids' education was turned into indoctrination. You didn't care when they were more worried about military veterans than Islamic terrorists. You didn't care when they spent so much money that our ...entire economic system may collapse. You didn't care when they gave billions of your money to unions and corporations that were their political contributors. You didn't care when inert cosmetic features on guns were felonies. You didn't care when they made it a ****ing crime to not have government approved health insurance. All of these things were done in your name. On your behalf. To help you, protect you, take care of you. Each time you gave them more power and gave away more of your freedom. Each time you believed them when they said they were protecting you, or helping the less fortunate, or sticking it to "the rich" who "aren't paying their fair share". Each time you applauded their efforts. Mocked those that were concerned. Called them uncaring or racist or alarmist or stupid. Each time you asked for more. You begged them to take care of you, protect you, right wrongs, enforce equality. But now that your Internet porn and bit torrents are threatened, NOW you care? It's too late for all that, kids. Turning off Wikipedia for a couple days isn't going to win back the freedoms we've ****ed away. It isn't going to undo decades of expanding government power. They've already decided there's nothing they can't do, no law they can't pass. We watched it happen. We let it happen. We have the country we deserve. So go ahead, post a rant about SOPA on your blog. Link to Ron Paul's web page. Pretend you're doing something. It'll make you feel better. Then you will go back to business as usual and so will they. Democracy in action. Isn't it beautiful?
 

jgonzz

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#16
chrislorentz;135564 said:
i know it is not everybody, but you know if you are one of them. You didn't care when the government decided it could spy on you without a warrant. You didn't care when they started telling you what you could eat. You didn't care when your kids' education was turned into indoctrination. You didn't care when they were more worried about military veterans than islamic terrorists. You didn't care when they spent so much money that our ...entire economic system may collapse. You didn't care when they gave billions of your money to unions and corporations that were their political contributors. You didn't care when inert cosmetic features on guns were felonies. You didn't care when they made it a ****ing crime to not have government approved health insurance. All of these things were done in your name. On your behalf. To help you, protect you, take care of you. Each time you gave them more power and gave away more of your freedom. Each time you believed them when they said they were protecting you, or helping the less fortunate, or sticking it to "the rich" who "aren't paying their fair share". Each time you applauded their efforts. Mocked those that were concerned. Called them uncaring or racist or alarmist or stupid. Each time you asked for more. You begged them to take care of you, protect you, right wrongs, enforce equality. But now that your internet porn and bit torrents are threatened, now you care? It's too late for all that, kids. Turning off wikipedia for a couple days isn't going to win back the freedoms we've ****ed away. It isn't going to undo decades of expanding government power. They've already decided there's nothing they can't do, no law they can't pass. We watched it happen. We let it happen. We have the country we deserve. So go ahead, post a rant about sopa on your blog. Link to ron paul's web page. Pretend you're doing something. It'll make you feel better. Then you will go back to business as usual and so will they. Democracy in action. Isn't it beautiful?

awesome !
 

Wicked Color

Tiger Shark
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#17
Wow Chris, thats a mouthfull!!, All I can say is people break the rules now, changing the rules wont matter because people will just find another way to infringe on our rights with the new set of rules.
Its inherent human nature, people suck and take advantage, changing the rules wont change human behavior. Prohibition is proof.
 

chrislorentz

Dolphin
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#18
yep we the people need to control it. however we need to control everything not just bits and pieces
 

djkms

Reef Shark
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#19
Money and power. Its all it is and all it ever was.

The Government is trying (and succeeding) to DICTATE what we eat, what we play, what we watch, what we read and take away our constitutional rights.

Its ok though folks, they are doing all this to protect you! Its obvious you cant make your own decisions and need the government to make them for you and if you disagree your are not patriotic and a terrorist threat!

LAND OF THE FREE!!!
 
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