Setting up new tank...is it possible to make it pest free?

280g-reefman

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So I am in the process of setting up my new 280g tank. I am hoping to make it pest free, is that possible? I currently have all my livestock in a holding tank till the new one is ready to go but there are traces of cyano, ich on my tang, those little starfish that seem to multiply by the dozen and thats all I see for now. I would imagine I can qt my fish for some time before the new tank is setup to get rid of the ich. I am curious though on all my live rock and live sand, should I just pull it all and nuke it to get rid of all the little buggers you dont want. Also what about the corals, they are all healthy but should I dip them all before I put them in the new tank? Or should I just start from scratch? Got nothing but time so any ideas or thoughts are welcome. Also looking for thoughts on UV sterilizers. Who has a reef tank and runs one?
 

KatahdinKid

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IMO/IME

LR: if you dont mind white rock just nuke it, you'll kill off all pods, apitasia, flatworms, coralline algae, you'll havve to cycle the rock over aain of course
Coral: treat with FWE, dip
Fish: QT and treat
Future: QT, i keep learning the hard way when it comes to parasites and QT (at some point i have to take myself to woodshed on this)

Just have a plan for reintroducing pods, bottled or what not
 

280g-reefman

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That sounds like a good plan. I plan on doing that stuff that cycles the tank quickly and will have to do some pods for sure.
 

that0neguy1126

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Unless you do a true QT setup for all corals and fish... No. Even with that, eventually something will make it through.

Even with a thorough QT setup, things like Ick are always present and if water quality and fish health drops, parasites start to appear.
 

Dr.DiSilicate

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I run a uv in my tank occasionally. I don't know if it helps and it does 't seem to hurt.
 

280g-reefman

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Can you expand on what a true qt setup is for fish, I have never done one. I had a 40g breeder in mind with a bare bottom and treating chemically for ick. I am looking to do a lot of tangs so getting rid of it now is a priority. I understand ick is always present but if fish are introduced without it on them I figure my odds of it coming back are in my favor.
 

ShelbyJK500

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I "seem" to be pest free for almost a year now. I killed all the liverock I obtained by bleach followed by muriatic acid in a 150g trough. I then cooked all the rock after it was "clean" and jumpstarted it with an aquacultured (pest free) liverock and some organics to break down. I cooked/cycled the rock for almost 8 weeks while setting up the tank. I started both my displays (hooked together) with new sand as well.

That said...the only way to keep it fairly "sterile" of pests is a "true QT" system like TOG mentioned above. I think he meant you have to QT EVERYTHING. That means anything and everything that you put in your tank, to be 100% certain. Honestly, I found that to be basically unrealistic and impossible. I mean, I'm not going to QT clean up crew additions, etc. I have a small frag tank in my basement that all corals I obtain go into for at minimum a couple weeks. Mostly to see if any aiptasia or other pests turn up. It saved me some aiptasia problems a couple times. Otherwise, whenever you get frags from people/vendors you have no idea what their history is or what they might be carrying that is not obvious at first. Hence the QT process.

Obviously QT of fish is VERY important. It's much easier (IMO) to treat for aiptasia and other pests than it is to treat a reef for something like Ich. I can tell you, my time with QT'ing ALL my fish was not for the impatient. It almost pushed me out of the hobby before I really got started. ;) However, it's necessary if you want long term success (as preached by MANY experienced/successful hobbiests). I had marine velvet early on with a couple of my first fish, and it sucked. Starting the clock again anytime you get new fish is a true pain in the rear but definitely worth it in the long run.

I have never seen or heard on any forum and any researching of the topic, any hard evidence to support that Ich is ALWAYS present. As it is a parasite that needs a specific host [fish], if there are no hosts available it dies off (in theory). I can see the argument both ways, but again have never seen a solid fact-based answer to the question...either way. It is HIGHLY debated on national forums from my experience.

The more you put in your tank without QT observation the more chance you have at picking something up. I always dip my corals, QT and dip again before putting in the display. I always follow guidelines for fish QT as well. However, I've rolled the dice with good luck so far (fingers crossed) on putting in hermits, crabs, snails, etc in my tank without proper QT. I've seen aiptasia attached directly to the shells of hermits/snails before even at some of our favorite LFS's. Always a gamble without QT'ing everything.
 

Ahhshoot

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Good write up Shelby. I learned new stuff about frag QT. I never knew corals needed to be QT as well. Thanks!

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ShelbyJK500

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Ahhshoot;175955 said:
Good write up Shelby. I learned new stuff about frag QT. I never knew corals needed to be QT as well. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. To be 100% safe, they do. I've gotten many frags from different sources (members, LFS, sponsors) that after a week or two an aiptasia would pop up that wasn't seen prior to buying and QT'ing. Coral dips don't kill stuff like that so I always leaned toward QT. I will admit I have thrown some frags in without QT if I knew the person and KNEW they had not had any pests for long periods of time. That seems to have worked for me too. It's just a crap-shoot unless you truly QT everything. I couldn't believe my eyes the first time I saw an aiptasia bouncing around on a hermit crabs shell at a LFS. That started me to worrying. ;)
 
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