Time to vent!!

asn-naso

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#1
This has been festering for quite some time, and I need to post something about it. Several of the actions are my fault, but due to everything below I have lost a ton of livestock (corals, shrimp, crabs, snails, etc.....).


  • My tank is doing great, everything is growing, life is good.
  • I attend the DBTC meeting. Thought it was a great idea, enjoyed meeting people there, got some cool new frags. Live is still good.
    • Come home, dip corals, inspect them, but was in a hurry so didn't inspect as good as I should have. (This is my fault)
    • I find a zoa eating nudi in my tank. Remove it, and also remove a string of eggs. I know it wasn't in my tank before, because it is the only one I have seen up until this point. It also matched the a zoa plug (same colors, etc...) My gut tells me it came from the swap. I don't appear to have any others in the tank.
    • About the same time-frame, my heater gets stuck on, and does a number to my tank. I loose some corals, but things appear have stabilized.
    • 4 weeks after pulling the adult 1" long nudi out of the tank, I see several 1/4 --> 1/3 ones in my tank. I pluck about 20 of them out. The next day I pluck out 10 more small ones.
    • I do research online, and find that FWE is great at killing the nudi's, just not the eggs. It also says you should dose at 10X the normal strength, and it's reef safe to do that. I find similar posts on several boards, so figure I'll give it a shot.
    • I dosed about 130 drops of FWE into my 29 gal BC. Figuring I have about 20+ gals of water in the tank this is 6.5 drops per gal, not the 10x that I read you should do. Add carbon 2 hours later, then do a water change.
    • The next day I see another nudi, and pluck it out.
    • I also notice tons of dead pods (to be expected), and a mini tank cycle with a small algae bloom. It was gone by day 3.
    • I don't see any for 5 days (6 days after first treatment). I then see 2 of them crawling on my frag rack, and on my glass. Time for 2nd treatment. (Online it says to wait a week, but apparently, I need to do another treatment).
    • This time, I slowly add the drops, waiting to see what dose will actually kill them. After 150 drops (7.5 drops per gal), they were still alive. I then notice my wrasse doesn't look very good.
    • I throw some carbon into the tank, and do a water change. The wrasse is much better.
    • Then slowly over a couple of days, all of my corals, started to die. I lost all of my acans (that were left from the heater incident), goni, sps's, hammers, frogspawns, alll chalices, favias, etc. Most of my zoa's have now been closed for 2+ weeks, and some are turning brown and dieing, and some have recently opened. My GSP even look bad, and I thought you needed battery acid to kill them.
    • I have since setup a small 5 gal tank for the zoa's, so I can try to bring them back to health, and dip them every couple of nights, to try and free them of the nudi's, but all in all, I have lost a ton of stuff, and what I have left doesn't look very good.
    • On the plus side, I did add a couple of pieces from Daniel's tank, and they are all doing well.
I know it was my choice to dose the FWE in the tank, I have 65 or so different zoa colonies that are on my rocks. I was hoping to avoid tearing the reef apart. I also didn't do the bet job I could have done inspecting the frags after dipping them. But part of me feels like someone knowingly brought DBTC frags that were infected to the swap. The guy I found in my tank was huge, he was a little larger then an inch. It is all in the past, and I am now a believer of inspecting everything with a magnifying glass before putting it into my tank.



I would also like to ask the club to please dip everything before it goes into any of your tanks, and to also let everyone know if you have something bad in your tank, before selling anything, or giving any corals away.

- enough venting. Time to move on.
 

dvenson

Dolphin
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#2
sorry to hear things are not looking up on the tank. if you need to borrow a bigger tank i have a 16 gallon bow front you can use for the treatment. if it was me and i had done what you have in dipping your zoas i would let them recover for at least 4 days before the next dip. i also have an 12 inch evolution slim led if you need to use it. only reason i say that is because i noticed the thread you started about using atinic only on a zoa tank i presume you were talking about this QT tank. i have battled these pest in the past and it is a slow process. Make sure you keep at picking the eggs off use a maxi jet in the dipping bucket to help get the unseen adults and juveniles off.

i am glad to hear the corals are doing good and its a good thing you didn't tank any zoas :)

i had sold some zoas to one person before i knew i was infested and after i realized i had a pest i called them up and we spoke about the issue and i apologized for that and informed them to be on the look out. SOMETIMES people may not know they have a pest until it is to late.
after my infestation i keep a small 5 gallon tank and a decent light set aside that i could use as a QT for any coral that i purchased and monitor it for a week to see if there were any pest after dipping.
 

amonchak

Reef Shark
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#3
Glad to hear that you are on the way to being pest free.

I would agree that it sucks to get pests but as you stated-- the bottom line is that is our own responsibility to QT and dip all new additions to our tanks.

This is another vote / reason that all the stuff from even "good sources" should be QT'd, if not only to avoid the PITA asneiman has just experienced.

Also I would venture to say that most in the club would not pass along the pest knowingly.......

Good Luck Asneiman!!
 

dv3

Beluga
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#6
sucks ...there is NO place safe from pests/predators like these ...just goes to show you they can appear from anywhere and not just your LFS or basement vendor ......this should be a lesson to everyone that we need to carefully inspect and dip everything all the time no matter what
 

Wicked Color

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#7
+1, and dont blame the DBTC for pests, they can come from anywhere, just be vigilant and about dips and QT.
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
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#8
That freaks me out as I almost never dip my corals, other then LFS corals. Looks I need to start.
 

the_fish_man

Nurse Shark
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#9
KhensuRa;130583 said:
That freaks me out as I almost never dip my corals, other then LFS corals. Looks I need to start.
+1 Hope your tank recovers quickly
 

bsharpe

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#10
Yes I dip everything and still got flat worms in my main tank. I heard that dipping does not affect the eggs. Anyone care to comment. From now on I will dip, quarantine and dip a week later or so before putting it in my tank.
 

Dr.DiSilicate

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#11
I had a bout with red bugs a couple years ago, from a lfs I think. I treated and then got a melenarous (sp) wrasse and all has been clear since. Definitely more careful now! Dip, check, quarantine if you can, and observe! The wrasses do help prevent anything that you may miss! They can not fix a problem but they can keep one from happening. Good luck man.
 

asn-naso

Dolphin
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#12
Thanks guys, and I have also though about adding a yellow wrasse. The problem I have is my tank is too small. I was counting on my pinked streaked wrasse to help out too.
 

Walter White

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#13
Wow asneiman virtually the exact same thing happened to me. I always dip now but didnt in the beginning. I believe my nudis had been there for awhile before I started noticing a real issue. I suspect I had some eggs on one or more frags. I think the FWE was a little helpful but I found the best solution was to pull out as many zoa colonies as possible and dipped in a water Hydrogen peroxide solution and used a turkey baster to blow them off.

In the end I lost a perc clown a bengai cardinal a peppermint shrimp three acans one the size of a softball and the other almost as large, half my high end zoas and palys, all my sps, and tons of other misc inverts.

My new method dip qt for a week then dip again. If I lose some new corals in the process so be it! Sorry to hear, i feel your pain my tank is a 28 jbj. Such a similar thing. lol

So far my tank is doing better than ever (knocking on wood) and have not seen any nudis for quite some time now.
 

Walter White

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#14
On a side note I want to say the FWE did more damage than the nudis, but I don't really know that for sure. I think the FWE killed off so many large snails and other inverts it caused a little chain reaction. Perhaps FWE is best left to larger systems. Just my 2cents
 

KhensuRa

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#15
the_fish_man;130584 said:
+1 Hope your tank recovers quickly
Nothing wrong with my tank. was just saying, I would hate for that to happen to me.
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
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#17
Tripple T;130724 said:
Dip with polyox. It's hard on sps but they live and it is the best I've found at killing almost everything. It kills eggs as well.
Sounds like from what I read it's commonly used as a laxative for cattle?? Do you have to get it from a vet like like interceptor?
 

asn-naso

Dolphin
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#18
kalgra;130677 said:
On a side note I want to say the FWE did more damage than the nudis, but I don't really know that for sure. I think the FWE killed off so many large snails and other inverts it caused a little chain reaction. Perhaps FWE is best left to larger systems. Just my 2cents
I would say in my scenario, it did the bulk of the damage. I am still losing corals, and have some that look like they are on their death bed.

I guess it's one of those live and learn scenarios.
 

projectx

Dolphin
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#19
It sucks, hopefully things will start to turn around and you wont lose anymore.

Guess I need to start dipping as well, and inspecting to make sure not to gain any undesireables.
 

The Coral Shop.com

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#20
I'm no expert and don't pretend to be one here's my take from my experience..
when a heater spikes it can take days to see which corals are going to let go and with treating your system with a toxin like fwe it's a 1-2 punch most corals are not going to survive... heaters are by far the weakest link in our beloved hobby best bet is invest in a aquacontroller or reef keeper that will control the temp params for you!

Eggs from nudis and other pests are not affected by any dip/treatment to my knowledge and can take weeks to hatch and grow to a size we can see! In every coral flat I have has a six line or yellow coris wrasse and scooter blenny or mandarin in it for that reason! Wrasses are far more effective ime but with both I like the odds! Plus with fwe if you did have flatworms carbon or not they are releasing poison as well.

Always remember nothing in the hobby happens quickly except disaster!! When we see things like the nudis the first reaction typically is I've gotta get this gone NOW! manual removal, Coral rx dip (I know Reefkoi sells it ;) and even a fw dip have been the most effective for me personally

For saving your remaining corals try using brightwell coral restore it really does help imo! I use it weekly in my systems as a preventative, hope that helps a bit
 
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