Is this guy reef safe?

katyttt

Tang
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#3
Nudibranch of some kind, not sure which one, looks similar to berghia and also a zoa eating nudi. There is another that looks almost the same and eats montipora, Look on the under side of any monti. and see if you see any more of them.

Have you seen them on or in any corals or just on the glass?

Have you seen any damage to any corals
 

dv3

Beluga
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#6
that does not look good ..i hope flat worm exit (cuz thats what i use in my dip) kills them if we have these guys going around now
 

Wicked Color

Tiger Shark
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#7
No, flat worm exit will not kill nudibranchs, and that is definitely what that is, thats a difficult one to get rid of.
 

asn-naso

Dolphin
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#10
It figures, the one time I think the guy may be safe, I leave him in there. I thought it might be a sea slug, and it appeared to be eating the algae on the glass, so I left him in there.

It was the first one I have seen, and just did a quick search, and there was one on the top of my glass, up under the plastic support ridge. I pulled him out. I would like to think it is the same one, but there is probably more in there.

My tank is mostly zoa's. I probably have at least 30+ colonies in there, if not more. I did have some weird losses 8 or so weeks back, where I would lose a strong colony out of no where. Things had appeared to settle down, and I figured the large water change I did got things back into check.

So now what? I can not dip them, all of my corals/zoa's are attached to the rocks, they're not on plugs. Will a wrasse eat them? (I have a pink streaked wrasse in the tank).

I also always use Coral RX before I add something to my tank. This guy might have come in with the live rock many months ago.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#11
oh man i feel like im gonna be sick ...lol

i would hate to get these in my tank (hope i don't already) good luck with this
 

Wicked Color

Tiger Shark
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#12
othercents;122426 said:
I have seen people try, and have never seen it work.
You have to become the predator, hunt them down, scrape the eggs, QT infected specimens, they lay eggs in hard to get places, and are quite small when young.
They can even take on the color of the zoa they are eating to camouflage themselves!!!
Bottom line is these guys could be devastating to a frag tank, or zoa dominant reef.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#13
Wicked Demon;122435 said:
I have seen people try, and have never seen it work.
You have to become the predator, hunt them down, scrape the eggs, QT infected specimens, they lay eggs in hard to get places, and are quite small when young.
They can even take on the color of the zoa they are eating to camouflage themselves!!!
Bottom line is these guys could be devastating to a frag tank, or zoa dominant reef.
stop!
 

asn-naso

Dolphin
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#14
I just counted. I have 56 different types of Zoa's in my tank. This is really going to SUCK if I have the zoa eating nudi's.

On the plus side, it could be a different type of nudi. I know they can change their coloring, but every picture I see online, where they are not near a zoa, they are brown in color. The one in my tank was grayish. Also, the one I had was 2/3's --> 3/4" of an inch. From searching online, they appear to be around 3-4 mm in length. The problem is, I can't find a definitive answer for how big they get.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#16
asneiman;122441 said:
I just counted. I have 56 different types of Zoa's in my tank. This is really going to SUCK if I have the zoa eating nudi's.

On the plus side, it could be a different type of nudi. I know they can change their coloring, but every picture I see online, where they are not near a zoa, they are brown in color. The one in my tank was grayish. Also, the one I had was 2/3's --> 3/4" of an inch. From searching online, they appear to be around 3-4 mm in length. The problem is, I can't find a definitive answer for how big they get.
all i can say is people have a pretty hard time keeping the apstasia nudi alive even with apsatsia so... chances are not good so keep an eye out

its amazing how there is a difference between the aipstasia and zoa eating nudi ....how do they know the difference and why does it matter ...lol
mother nature is a weirdo if i ever met one
 

asn-naso

Dolphin
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#17
Well, from all of the digging I have done tonight, the zoa nudi's won't touch a paly either.

I've had my lights off for a while, so the zoa's would close up, and did a search with a pretty bright flash light. I didn't see any eggs, or more nudi's. I guess I am now in a holding pattern for a while.
 

dvenson

Dolphin
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#18
i would just like to let you know that i had an out break of these guys almost a year ago. Allen you have a long road ahead of you. the only way i was able to get rid of them was to pull ALL my zoas out of my tank and place them into a 10 gallon tank and dip them in coral rx and manually remove eggs then dip in fresh water then back into the 10 gallon tank. it took almost 3 months of doing this every 3 days to ensure i had gotten all the eggs. look at your zoas that stay closed up more than others for them. the eggs will be small and white with a horse shoe to spiral pattern. if you found one adult there is probably 10 or more adults you have not seen.
check your tank glass about an hour after lights go out also.

what zoas did you bring to the DBTC meeting?
 

chrislorentz

Dolphin
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#19
dvenson;122497 said:
i would just like to let you know that i had an out break of these guys almost a year ago. Allen you have a long road ahead of you. the only way i was able to get rid of them was to pull ALL my zoas out of my tank and place them into a 10 gallon tank and dip them in coral rx and manually remove eggs then dip in fresh water then back into the 10 gallon tank. it took almost 3 months of doing this every 3 days to ensure i had gotten all the eggs. look at your zoas that stay closed up more than others for them. the eggs will be small and white with a horse shoe to spiral pattern. if you found one adult there is probably 10 or more adults you have not seen.
check your tank glass about an hour after lights go out also.

what zoas did you bring to the DBTC meeting?
I remember that !
 

asn-naso

Dolphin
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#20
Here is a list of everything I brought to the swap:

Blue Chalice - 5 frags for DBTC, plus one for steve, and one for bpreefer (possible someone else too)
Whammin Watermelon – 2 polyps on top of frag plug
Whammin Watermelon – 2 polyps on side of frag plug
Green/teal paly – looks like purple death – 1 nice colored polyp
Green/teal paly – looks like purple death – 1 nice colored polyp, with 2 babies
tubs blue – 4 polyps, but haven’t opened since I fragged them. – might do better in someone else's tank. -- The mother colony is doing great.
Green Metallic mushroom
Qty 2 – star polyps
Qty 3 – green Hydnophora

I also gave bpreefer a frag of an unknown zoa.

Daniel - How big were they in your tank? How easy were they to spot in zoa colonies? What about the eggs? Were they easy to spot?

My zoas have been doing great recently, and have all been open. Several of them are growing like weeds.

If I have the nudi's, I am going to be sick. I have spent a fortune on the zoas, and most of them are growing on the rock, and will not be easy to remove for dips.
 
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