My impression of MASC

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mathewkofalk

Butterfly Fish
M.A.S.C Club Member
#1
So first off yes it will be obvious as to who's post this is a reponse to. But this is not an attack as much as its just my observation. MASC is the best forum I hab e ever joined. That being said this forum shares issues many other forums face. The main subject here will be new members like my self and how welcomed we feel by joining the group. My fist impresion of the group was good I joined up to find a used reef ready tank. Then I started to notice negative feed back about people joing just to buy and sell equipment. The problem I have with this rule is I'm sure many of us joined with the mind set that we could buy and sell aquarium stuff. So having a rule of this sort prevents people from wanting to join and or getting involved in the club because they are told what they are doing is wrong. Also the other complaint is people over charging or low balling offers or offering to help for a fee. If you can't handle buying and selling goods then don't do it and if you don't like someone's offer keep it to yourself what your idea of a good deal may differ from what other people think and that's ok. What is not ok is to call people out or complain about low ball offers in a PUBLIC forum. The last part is the elitest crew.........you make people feel very unwelcomed and act like there's this special click new people are not welcome to be a part of. I would also like to see members of the board held accountable when they are in the wrong. I know most will say bad things about me after this post and nothing will change......I could care less and all I'm looking for is the satisfaction to know that each of you reading this understands how one of the newer members feels about MASC.

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Haulin Oates

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#3
Well regardless of whether or not you read any responses, I'm going to tell you again to change your attitude! Your exorbitant offer of $100 PLUS "green in my pocket" was pretty insulting. I thought Craigar's decline was pretty nice, and reserved. It was YOU who then decided to attack Craigar and insinuate that he has the money to pay you, since you saw that he has nice vehicles and shows off all of his things on the forum. That's extortion.
Now your accusing members of this forum of being elitist? Did you go to the meeting today? Did you see a group of awesome people donate several thousands of dollars worth of coral and equipment to help 1 member battle cancer? Of course not, you're to busy throwing a pity party for yourself because you couldn't make money off another member...
Grow up.
 

CRW Reef

Blue Whale
M.A.S.C Club Member
ex-officio
#5
Purpose of MASC: The Marine Aquarium Society of Colorado is dedicated to the endorsement, education, and fellowship of marine aquarium hobbyists. We will increase awareness among members and the public of the importance and value of marine ecosystems and their preservation through captive propagation and responsible collection of organisms. We will deepen hobbyists’ knowledge about the husbandry and study of marine plants and animals, increasing the longevity and well being of the creatures in our care.*

Matthew thank you for your thoughts and I'm sorry you do not feel welcome and or not included. It is no ones intentions whom love this club to ever make someone feel left out, not included or feel un-welcomed. We will always accept newcomers and we will always invite them to attend our meetings and gatherings. Case in point we had several new members come today, several new members donate huge items to a great cause and even new members come today to join in the fun and even participate in donating to the raffles. Again I am sorry to read your post and learn that you feel unwelcome. Below are some continued thoughts on what MASC is and what our motto and purpose is.

MASC is a free place for anyone curious about the hobby, new to the hobby and experienced hobbyists alike. There are no mandatory fees or requirements to partake in 90% of what MASC has to offer.

Everyone including guests just browsing, registered users and badged members all have equal rights to browse the site and participate how they see fit, are comfortable in engaging with and hopefully will all get out if it what they want to get out of it and or achieve. MASC is a great place to turn to for a great wealth of experiences knowledge, that is offered by both registered users and badged members the same, with neither being more qualified than the other.

Fortunately what comes along with the experiences of all users of MASC is the chance to gain friends, meet new people and the ability to engage in fellowship with others with the same passions for the hobby. Again this part is by no means a requirement to use and participate with in the group, but it certainly adds to the fun, as well as the overall well being and strength of the group. There are those whom will choose to embrace that and those whom choose not to, both of which are fine. You will also find that members will be the first to welcome people into the club, donate unpaid time to both the club and fellow hobbyists, dbtc corals and help out others with tank issues. This does not mean that there are not others that are not members whom arent great assests to the club, because there are several, I mean several of them (ex. Jda123 and dym). Again neither is better than the other and both are welcome just the same.

Now MASC is not actually a completely free site, meaning there obviously is costs associated with keeping the site live and operational for all users to enjoy. Because MASC is a non-profit (there is not one individual in the entire group financially profiting) it looks to and requires both donations and volunteering from with in the group in order to survive. These donations come in the form of cash donations for membership, cash donations from those whom have simply enjoyed and found great insight from the site and want to give back, cash donations from users whom attend meetings and participate in our raffles and also those whom want to attend and engage in some of our larger frag swaps and conferences. We have dozens of volunteers for everything such as being in the board (again unpaid and without reward), helping setup, manage and run events, donate numerous monies and hard goods to raffle items, donate time in planning events and lastly they do this all for the better good of the club and without the expectancy of reward. Again with out these funds and volunteers MASC would not be able to exist for anyone including both member and non-members.

There are rules within MASC but these are put in place inorder to hopefully keep everyone engaging in MASC homogeneously, not to create dictatorship and or punish others with out reason or thought behind the rule. There will always be those whom disagree and it always in hopes that they will be in minority and that the rules benefit the masses and the group as a whole.

It is important to remember that each person will get out of MASC what they alone choose. If one chooses to fully engage in the group and participate in meetings, join us in fundraisers to help fellow reef enthusiasts, give back to the club financially or in fellowship to help support it and take advantage to the other 10% of what MASC offers; that's great and we welcome anyone and everyone to do so. If you would like simply to engage in saltwater reef keeping conversation, learn new things about the hobby, take advantage of our usually awesome classifieds section, join us at gatherings as your time allows; that is great as well and we welcome everyone to participate as they see fit.

Bottom line, everyone on MASC is equal as far what they want to get and take away from the site. There will be those whom will embrace newcomers/those whom don't engage all that often and then there are those that won't. Again this is a free site for all to enjoy equally and to take away and give back what they please. It is important to remember like with all of technology that allows us to communicate with out physically talking in person that emotions can not always be accurately interpreted and what the person is saying on the other end isn't always being perceived how they were intended. So please take everything with a grain of salt when it is perceived that the other person is taking a authoritarian stance. Everyone needs to feel welcome, respect others as fellow reef enthusiasts and appreciate the great assest MASC is and what its users both non-members and members have to offer.

In closing, MASC invites anyone and everyone to participate on the site as they see fit. It is encouraged to engage in the group as you can or want in hopes of bettering and strengthening the depth of experiences of the community, but again is this by no means a requirement. We hope that those of you whom find value in the site, community and what it has to offer will join us as you can not only here on the forum but also at our meetings, fundraisers and conferences. We are all on this site because of our interest, love, enjoyment and or passion for the hobby and it is important that we maintain that as the first and foremost emphasis when dealing with anything related to the group. Lets continue to help the hobby grow here in Colorado and lets encourage others to join us in this awesome and amazing hobby.

*** Disclaimer***
These are my thoughts solely as a participant of MASC and a complete addict of the reef keeping hobby, not the voice of the entire BOD, an officer of the BOD or anyone whom has anything to gain by broadcasting opinion. If anyone would like to discuss things further in private, please pm me and we can discuss any thoughts, criticisms and or suggestions you might have.
 

Dr.DiSilicate

Administrator
Staff member
M.A.S.C Club Member
M.A.S.C. B.O.D.
MASC Vice-President
#6
My wife went to her 1st meeting today. Her response was, those are really nice people. That's all...
 

ReeferMatt

Nurse Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#7
Does making friends and actively participating in the club make you Elite, I kind of thought that was the point? I like that often goods sold on MASC are lower than market value, but I also understand that this is a temptation for people to buy things here cheap and sell them for a profit elsewhere. I understand that people with no interest in the club might also exploit the site to sell equipment which would defeat the purpose of having paid sponsors, without whom this club would be unable to do many of the things that make it great. I think the "rule" you speak of is meant to protect the integrity of the club and not prohibit people from reasonable buying and selling. Sometimes people's prices are high, and sometimes peoples offers are low, the trick is to handle either situation with maturity and tact, this after all is a club and not craigslist, and should be viewed as such. I'm really glad for the friends I have made in this club and am excited to be part of such an amazing community, that said I do have some people in my ignore bucket, I promise it's well deserved and just a part of life. Just like life, you will get what you put in and sometimes you get rubbed the wrong way. I guess that's just my take on things.... and now back to our regularly scheduled program.
 

MuralReef

Administrator
Staff member
M.A.S.C Club Member
M.A.S.C. B.O.D.
MASC Vice-President
#8
I have made some really good friends and other generous people whom I am yet to meet on MASC. When my classroom tank cracked at the beginning of the summer many people donated to help me replace it. I have also had several members donate corals as well. I don't believe that there is an elitist group of members within MASC.
I do understand being cautious about buying/selling with newer members or nonmembers. Our time is valuable and chatting back and forth with somebody takes time especially if they end up trying to lowball you. I was new not so long ago and I have found that the best way to get in is to remain positive and offer to help if you have time. You never know when you will need help. My wife too attended her first meeting today and thought everyone was really nice.
 

FinsUp

According to my watch, the time is now.
M.A.S.C Club Member
#9
I can't stop laughing. Seriously, how many times do we need to go through this?
Matthew, you crossed the line asking for both gas money and money to help another member move a tank. His response was to simply let you know that you had crossed that line. At which point, you blew up and took a **** all over him. Publicly. And now you want to complain about the responses you got, accuse unknown people of being elitist because they are friends with each other, and generally whine and complain because your (also unknown) expectations aren't being met. For you to gripe about the public responses to your very public statements is the very pinnacle of hypocrisy.
When I was new to this club, a short time ago, I was amazed at the amount of help I received from these total strangers. And whenever possible, I try to pay that help back and forward. I've met some people that I don't much get along with, and that's ok. I've met a lot more people that I do get along with, which is great.
I'm not sure exactly what else to say, other than nowhere in the mission statement or anywhere else does it say that this club is here to please every single person who stumbles across this website. We generally love to see new faces (and screen names), but some of us have been burned enough times to be somewhat wary when the main focus we see from new folks is on getting stuff for free or really cheap. So I tend to be cautiously optimistic until I get a better feel for the person. Other people have different reactions based on their experiences. That's life, plain and simple. As Chad said (admittedly a LOT more diplomatically than I am), you get out of it what you put into it. A lot of people understand that. Some, like you, don't.
 

ReefCheif

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
Platinum Sponsor
#10
mathewkofalk;260834 said:
So first off yes it will be obvious as to who's post this is a reponse to. But this is not an attack as much as its just my observation. MASC is the best forum I hab e ever joined. That being said this forum shares issues many other forums face. The main subject here will be new members like my self and how welcomed we feel by joining the group. My fist impresion of the group was good I joined up to find a used reef ready tank. Then I started to notice negative feed back about people joing just to buy and sell equipment. The problem I have with this rule is I'm sure many of us joined with the mind set that we could buy and sell aquarium stuff. So having a rule of this sort prevents people from wanting to join and or getting involved in the club because they are told what they are doing is wrong. Also the other complaint is people over charging or low balling offers or offering to help for a fee. If you can't handle buying and selling goods then don't do it and if you don't like someone's offer keep it to yourself what your idea of a good deal may differ from what other people think and that's ok. What is not ok is to call people out or complain about low ball offers in a PUBLIC forum. The last part is the elitest crew.........you make people feel very unwelcomed and act like there's this special click new people are not welcome to be a part of. I would also like to see members of the board held accountable when they are in the wrong. I know most will say bad things about me after this post and nothing will change......I could care less and all I'm looking for is the satisfaction to know that each of you reading this understands how one of the newer members feels about MASC.

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WOW, dude, really? First off, let me make this clear. I myself didnt join this club for the sole purpose of looking for goods like you have insinuated above and pretty much admitted you have done. I was actually long into the saltwater hobby and a member of MASC (Bumblebbe)came to my home and refered me here. Second, who the hell do you think you are calling out people on this forum, expecially good people like Jack and Craig, I dont usually pass judgement, but your a fool. Your post says this is not your intention, when infact thats all youve done here. Have you ever intended a meeting, have you ever donated to the cause of this club? Or are you another one of those who surfs the forum looking to gobble up DBTC's and only take the time to come to the big events. Where were you today when we gathered and bbqd and enjoyed eachothers company all with the intent to help another member of this club? Im pretty sure I didnt see you there. As far as Im concerned, you dont have the right to say a damn thing, and if you dont like, there are other forums you can join.

Elitist? Not hardly my friend. Theres a group of members here who have been members for quite a long time and have dealt with all the BS through the years, have grown tired of it and have decided not to deal with it anymore, plain and simple. I myself have had good and bad encounters with both members and non members, it has nothing to do with being a member or not, it has all to do with how you conduct yourself here, and I will judge you as such, member or not.

Id like to also add, its posts like this that **** dedicated members off, youve been a part of this forum for 4 months, what kind of history do you even have to base any of this off of?

THIS IS NOT CRAIGSLIST!
 

Highway66

Butterfly Fish
M.A.S.C Club Member
#11
I am new here. I cringed when I read your first post on that thread, I knew the only good outcome would have been if it was ignored completely. I dont normally post on these political topics as i think it is best personally for me to ignore and let pass then to feed into the hype, but i was at the bbq/fundraiser today and i think your wrong mathewkofalk.
 

hurrafreak

Orca
M.A.S.C Club Member
#12
I'm still on sabbatical of sorts here, but I figured I'd throw my 0.02 in here. Being one of the oldest members here, and one of the few "sharks" (RIP Don) there are on the forum (even after about a year long hiatus), things like this ALWAYS come up!! I chimed in because I wanted to say that Craig has always been a great person, not only to me, but also on this website. It goes against everything he's ever done here to try and label him "elitist." It's crazy.

From my long stint on the BOD, I always wanted to tell people, if you don't like it here, NOBODY is keeping you here. You don't have to stay. Does that mean I want everyone to leave, of course not!! But why whine and cry about a place you may have a bad impression about. Just stop posting. You obviously are not contributing all that much, so it's not going to be any sweat off your back.

For me, the problem with newbies was never about them buying and selling stuff. I could have cared less if you made 50 for sale threads, as long as you participated in the rest of the community as well. Yes, there happen to be for sale threads on this forum, but this club is about WAY more than those forums. This club has ALWAYS been about education, and community. If you come in and just sell/buy, you are participating in the community, go check out c-list, that's what it's there for.

It's a shame that on a day where the club did something amazing, someone had to take a dump on it like this.......
 

ReeferMatt

Nurse Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#13
Can we just close this and get on with being awesome? I hope everyone had a great time today and we raised a bunch of money for a really good cause!!
 

Bajamike

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#14
hurrafreak;260924 said:
It's a shame that on a day where the club did something amazing, someone had to take a dump on it like this.......
This is the part that angers me...........So disrespectful IMO, We should be celebrating the fact that the community came together and showed so much love.
 

Dr.DiSilicate

Administrator
Staff member
M.A.S.C Club Member
M.A.S.C. B.O.D.
MASC Vice-President
#15
hurrafreak;260924 said:
I'm still on sabbatical of sorts here, but I figured I'd throw my 0.02 in here. Being one of the oldest members here, and one of the few "sharks" (RIP Don) there are on the forum (even after about a year long hiatus), things like this ALWAYS come up!! I chimed in because I wanted to say that Craig has always been a great person, not only to me, but also on this website. It goes against everything he's ever done here to try and label him "elitist." It's crazy.

From my long stint on the BOD, I always wanted to tell people, if you don't like it here, NOBODY is keeping you here. You don't have to stay. Does that mean I want everyone to leave, of course not!! But why whine and cry about a place you may have a bad impression about. Just stop posting. You obviously are not contributing all that much, so it's not going to be any sweat off your back.

For me, the problem with newbies was never about them buying and selling stuff. I could have cared less if you made 50 for sale threads, as long as you participated in the rest of the community as well. Yes, there happen to be for sale threads on this forum, but this club is about WAY more than those forums. This club has ALWAYS been about education, and community. If you come in and just sell/buy, you are participating in the community, go check out c-list, that's what it's there for.

It's a shame that on a day where the club did something amazing, someone had to take a dump on it like this.......
well stated!
 

mathewkofalk

Butterfly Fish
M.A.S.C Club Member
#16
I contribute as much as I feel the need and again like I said I called out no names or throw insults but you who have definitely show exactley the attitude I was talking about.

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FinsUp

According to my watch, the time is now.
M.A.S.C Club Member
#17
You are completely delusional if you think that what you've said in this thread and others isn't insulting. Do you actually contribute anything, or are you just a troll, hiding behind a computer, making ambiguous accusations and ridiculous criticisms of people you refuse to name? Have you ever met the people you're criticizing and insulting? Do you even know their names, or are you griping just to gripe?

Keep going blah blah blah. None of us are really listening anymore.
 
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