The skimmer diaries...

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#1
Well some of you may know, I used to be that guy. You know the guy who never changed his water, tested it or heaven to Betsy run a skimmer. I never had a skimmer but many told me I should, I'd ask why and well almost always I was given the same answer and that was, "Well Virgil I have always run a skimmer and my tank looks great". With that I would remind them that my tank looks better then thiers... Ha But was there a skimmer running in my tank nooooo...ha Kris aka: djkms once came over to my house, took a look at my biocube and opened the cabinet door to see what kind of fug/skimmer blah blah I was running. He was amazed at how well my tank looked. Oh and called me names for being that guy. Jerk... lol

I then ran a post some reed, titled; "To skim or not to Skim" but very few really ever said they never ran one after the fact and had positive effect or a negative one. Well I am know, and I am going to put this skimmer business to the test.

This may not be the most scientific test ever run, well to be honest not much science will be involved other then before and after.

To begin for those who know nothing of me and my shenanigans. I am Virgil and have been so-so keeping a reef tank for about 5 to 6 years. I have until about a month ago only had the one bio cube which I modified here and there (lights and ghetto fug in back). That cube was 29 gallons and could grow coral like a mofo (see past post's for all my DBTC's). And not just rank ol brown polyps, but it grew SPS, LPS, and some of the finest zoas ever... (Pats own back) Just kidding they where just nicer then Lance, Gabe and Alex's... haha jk... Back on subject. I have since moved into a little bigger tank, a 58 gallon RR. It has been up and running for a little over a month-ish (ummm maybe) and just seems to chugging away. All is well in this tank as I moved all my old sand rock and water to minimize any mini cycle which lasted all of two days. Some of my SPS have since grown ever faster and got better color in the new tank (no thanks to a skimmer). So this is why I have decided to put this skimmer snake oil to the test. I would not have unless I got a killer deal which I did on a decent skimmer (reviews I read across the net, if I am wrong and skimmer sucks. I say lets tar and feather seller).

Okay lets start this... I am going to run the skimmer which is an EETS reef devil rated for a 175 gallon tank, for a month at night only, as it is nosy as hell and wife said so. Over skim yes, but I have been told this is the best way to skim. Go big or go home, some manly man once said. During this process I will do water changes and dose like normal and not test my water like normal, cause well, old dog new tricks. That and testing water is ummm lame. Throughout the month I will take pics and post them here so we can see if the corals have benefited at all from this skim thing. I will also run carbon and a GFO of some sort like I have previously.

Please inform me if I should watch anything else or missed something, all suggestions will be duly noted and only used if no testing is involved. Yes I am lazy and kinda fat.

Skimmer has been turned on and foam boils fourth from its dirty mouth. Oh and please forgive any technical issues I my have with this dumb skimmer.

Added info: Current bio load for tank is a total of five fish: one male anthias, clown fish, chromis, green clown goby and Sailfin tang (hold up tang police, was helping out on this one and will go to Mike when fish is caught). At this point my bio load is low (I think), but will increase as the days go by. In the past I had a large bio load in the bio cube with 6 fish. At the end of it's life I sold the clowns and sixline, then I babysat a RBTA that ate the rest of the fish.
 
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cdrewferd

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#2
Following along.


Drew

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CRW Reef

Blue Whale
M.A.S.C Club Member
ex-officio
#3
Following along for the ride! Im running skimmer-less at the moment as well so will be interested to see what you come up with. Also be curious if fish load would make a difference as well.
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#5
rockys_pride;162650 said:
Have you documented the skimmerless growth, conditions, etc.?
That way you can more accurately compare to the skimmer working.
I have not, you will just have to trust me. I really was not planning this but that skimmer deal was hard to pass up.
 

Punjab

Angel Fish
#7
I'm interested to see if it makes any difference for you. I've known people that were adamantly opposed to running a skimmer, but almost all of them were pretty bad at making and then saving money. So I never could tell if they really believed what they said or if they had no choice but to run skimmerless.
I've been skeptical about the necessity of a skimmer but once you run your finger around the inside of the collection cup every week and see the messed up sludge that comes out you just start thinking, "Clearly I need a bigger skimmer. There's got to be more of that stuff not getting pulled out."
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#8
Virgil,

I would be curious what kind of bioload the tank has as that obviously plays a big factor. Perhaps that was mentioned in your other thread but it should be psoted here for clarity I think.

On a side note i just made the decision to remove my skimmer from my JBJ 28 as it really only seemed to restrict flow through the back chambers and become a huge detritus trap in my tiny fuge. I personally am of the (opinion) at this point that skimmers on small tanks are without much if any benefit. I have gone through three and none have worked worth a damn for any significant period of time. I have what I would consider a heavy bioload.
1 medium sized clown
large yellow watchman pistol pair
large bengai cardinal
large mckoskers wrasse
red scooter blenny
pepermint shimp

There is actually a whole debate on RC regarding skimmers and small tanks in the nano forum. You will find that vast majority of successful reefers in that thread don't recommend running a skimmer regarding small tanks. So to add to your experiment (if you want) I will document the opposite. I will show the changes in my small 28 gallon having removed the skimmer with a heavy bioload. As of this week I am now only running carbon/GFO and changing 5gal a week.

As of now I would not say my tank isnt bad or good but is certainly not would I would consider impressive my any means. At current I have some growth with all sps,lps, z&ps, but my coloration sucks currently.
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#9
I can't stop looking at your sack...

I will add bio load info in the first post as that is a good idea and requires no testing just counting. lol
 
#10
I ran a 72 bow front, not reef ready. Everything was hang off the back. AND NO SKIMMER. I then upgraded to the red sea max 250 (65 gallon).
"You say, why down grade in size??" Its actually a huge upgrade... anyways.. back on track.

The red sea max has a skimmer. I am not convinced that it helps. I have read several articles saying zoa's need some what dirty water to thrive (detritus). If the water is pristine, then make sure you feed the zoa's. My tank at the moment looks nice, but the corals are un-happy about something. I have gotten some really nice zoa's lately, I acclimate them, put them in the red sea max. They open up for a day, and now they are closed up. Scratching my head at this point.
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#11
I am a mega spot feeder of all my corals, so if it zaps food out of the water I think they should be fine. But you never know...
 
#12
Yes, I have had several people tell me they target feed the corals. I have been broadcast feeding. hhhmm. Dont want to hijack your Skimmer diary. Keep us posted on what you find.. very interesting at the very least.
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#13
Alright well as most of you know, just a few days is not going to much to a tank. I did however pull the collection cup from running the skimmer so far.

Here is the total amount I have skimmed so far:


Here is the poo water in a clear cup:


What I have noticed and this could and could not be related, is my filter sock has not gotten as dirty. When I first added my filter sock I had to change it out every three days or it would and did clog.

One thing I do not like about this skimmer is it makes a ton of nosie. Any one have this same skimmer and have noise tip?

I am also going to feed a little heavier just to see the results.
 

Cherub

Hey you
M.A.S.C Club Member
#14
not all skimmers are noisy. I can't even hear mine but really all that matters is all that nastiness you got out of the water. I run my skimmer a tad dryer then that personally. I;m sure your fish appreciate you pulling their poo out
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#15
My personal experience is that its very difficult to get a drier skimmate from those small skimmers. I could get it to skim dry for a couple days then it would just stop and id have to tweak it again.

Virgil if you want to try another one you can try my Tunze 9002 its pretty quite.
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
M.A.S.C Club Member
#17
That cup looks allot like urine perhaps you could sell it to one of the peeps in the 420 thread. ;) I kid I kid!

"The good news is you passed your drug screening, the bad news is you apparently have ICH."
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#18
Kalgra;162976 said:
That cup looks allot like urine perhaps you could sell it to one of the peeps in the 420 thread. ;) I kid I kid!

"The good news is you passed your drug screening, the bad news is you apparently have ICH."
LMAO!!!! And red bugs and.... lol
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#19
Upon reading some sites about the reef devil skimmer I discovered that they use bio balls in the down draft tube to help mix the air and water. Mine I think is missing these and could be the source of the noise. And not as good of skim mate. Any ideas on this?
 

projectx

Dolphin
M.A.S.C Club Member
#20
Don't get that mixed up w your beer lol
be interesting to see how things do now vs how well they were prior to the skimmer and move
 
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