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[Cake_Boss]

With the recent acts of violence involving firearms, what's your take on laws/freedoms/rights/privileges concerning gun control?

There's plenty of laws already dictating who gets to own one, even how they are stored.

The most recent one didn't even go buy one, his mother had purchased them (I suspect for her protection). How do you go about controlling that? I was reading comments on other sites

people control not gun control

this is what happens when you have gun-free zones. Eliminate all gun-free zones so that armed law-abiding citizens will be free to defend themselves as well as the people around them.

sadly more shootings just like this will occur, because we don't want to make tough choices, schools need guards, and the mentally ill need to be locked up

What are your thoughts?

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[aztecdreams]

They can pass all the laws they want but i dont think it will help. Drugs are illegal but it sure doesn't stop people from getting them. Guns are illegal in Mexico but there is no shortage of them there

 

[Ambrosio Aquatics]

+1 guns laws will just make the black market gun trade more lucrative.

 

[projectx]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

 

[reefmaster719]

Key word: ARMS DEALERS.. never will there be a shortage of guns if money exists

 

[280g-reefman]

So by people control does that mean population control? Therefore eliminating all the people who are incapable of raisining children that are more than likely to end up delinquents and doing these massacres? And when you quote when law abiding citizens will be able to defend themselves does that include 5 year olds in a school or people shopping at a mall or simply watching a movie? Because all of these situations happened but in none of these situations were any law abiding citizens with a gun there to protect anyone. And to top it off you quote that schools need guards....no they dont and they shouldnt. Its plain and simple guns were used in the last 3 massacres in america. If you do not see a problem here and feel at the time of another massacre is the time to rally for the right to bear arms that is truely sad.

 

[master NooB]

Yeah it's true that the last three massacres did involve guns... Won't deny that... But the truth of the matter is these shootings happen so rarely that they make national news... Not discrediting the severity of the event... But cars kill people everyday! In the hundreds every single day are people dying or seriously injured because of vehicles! But no one seems to rally about taking cars away! One guy just the other day in my hometown merrick new York got drunk and drove on to a sidewalk and killed 3 people and injured 7 more very badly but not a single bit of news about it... I learned about it from my mother. So I guess my rambling point is... It doesn't matter what you take away, or what you restrict... All it takes is for one person to make a bad choice and people will die. I love my guns! And unfortunately I have had to use one of my guns to protect my girlfriend when three adult males broke in with guns of there own... So any one that try's to take the gun that saved not only my life but the life of my loved one doesn't understand that in the hands of the right person a life can be saved... And in the hands of the wrong person be it a steering wheel or a handgun life's can be taken! I gaurentee you my kimber will never leave my car and my guns will always be with me... So they can take guns away from the citizens that legally have the right and responsibility to have them, but I gaurentee you that many legal standing Americans will become felons for not giving up there right to bear arms! Just food for thought

 

[bigfoot610]

my aunt in law was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic did some wicked crazy stuff all they do is give them meds and kick them out the door at the hospital there arent really any facilities left to take the mentally ill nobody makes sure that they take the meds given to them and the cycle repeats over and over... the only people who can stop bad guys with guns are good guys with guns i had several people i know shot in the aurora theatre incident one lost her daughter and unborn child. Gun control is not the answer getting programs and facilities back up to take the mentally ill and keep them off the street is what is required..... that woman should have controlled her firearms around her mentally ill son they should not have even been in the house........

 

[drtymnky]

what happened in conedacut was an horible shame but why do we keep trying to blame guns for it? when do we start blaming the brain f---ed nut jobs for there actions, or was it sociaties fault this time, must be the violent video games.

 

[280g-reefman]

Yeah it's true that the last three massacres did involve guns... Won't deny that... But the truth of the matter is these shootings happen so rarely that they make national news... Not discrediting the severity of the event... But cars kill people everyday! In the hundreds every single day are people dying or seriously injured because of vehicles! But no one seems to rally about taking cars away! One guy just the other day in my hometown merrick new York got drunk and drove on to a sidewalk and killed 3 people and injured 7 more very badly but not a single bit of news about it... I learned about it from my mother. So I guess my rambling point is... It doesn't matter what you take away, or what you restrict... All it takes is for one person to make a bad choice and people will die. I love my guns! And unfortunately I have had to use one of my guns to protect my girlfriend when three adult males broke in with guns of there own... So any one that try's to take the gun that saved not only my life but the life of my loved one doesn't understand that in the hands of the right person a life can be saved... And in the hands of the wrong person be it a steering wheel or a handgun life's can be taken! I gaurentee you my kimber will never leave my car and my guns will always be with me... So they can take guns away from the citizens that legally have the right and responsibility to have them, but I gaurentee you that many legal standing Americans will become felons for not giving up there right to bear arms! Just food for thought

Sad to hear about your situation but the heedless comparisons about cars and guns carry no water. Changing the subject and comparing two completely different things makes absolutely no sense.

 

[I like Tacos]

Here's something to think about-

"the highest crime rates are in places with strict gun control policies, such as Chicago and Washington, D.C. However, in areas with high rates of gun ownership, violent crime rates are lower."
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/mar/10/letters-gun-control-cities-have-most-crime/

If somebody wants to do harm against another person or group of people they can do it, period! A person doesn't need to use a gun to kill, there are many other ways. As the saying goes--- Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

 

[rmougey]

We need to consider that at the time of the writing of the Bill of Rights, they were dealing with flintlocks and muskets. A well trained militiaman could get off a shot every 20 seconds from his rifle. I don't think that a flintlock compares well to a high capacity semi-automatic weapon. We obviously have an issue that needs to be addressed and solved. The status quot is simply not working.

If we are going to interpret the 2nd amendment literally, I'd like to be the first in line for my own choice of 'arm'; a small thermo-nuclear device would work quite nicely, thank you. I promise to use it carefully and only in a sportsmanlike manner.

 

[Zooid]

The purpose of the second amendment is to protect the people from a tyrannical government. It doesn't matter if there were just flintlocks and muskets back then. The founders wanted the people to be able to stop the government when it became too overbearing. Since the government has far greater weapons than just semi-automatic weapons, I think that there are plenty of gun control restrictions. It would serve the puplic to a greater degree to find a solution to the over abundance of nut jobs that are running loose.

 

[Cake_Boss]

I quoted what I felt are the main opinions of most Americans. I can't say I fully agree with any of them.

Just heard of another theater shooting in Texas, sad.

 

[SAZAMA]

A buddy sent me this recently... I try to brush it off as conspiracy,but it makes some sense.
http://www.infowars.com/overwhelming-evidence-mounts-indicating-colorado-shooting-staged/

 

[Ghosty]

I've already been sucked into multiple giant gun-control threads on both CRN (ColoradoRacing.com) and CSC (COSportbikeClub.org) for many years. Don't think I have the breath to handle many more, lol. I'm a left-leaning moderate gun-owner and NRA member that promotes RESPONSIBLE gun ownership, less controls, but definitely need Federal laws for gunshow sales for the few states that do not do background checks (ugh, really?) 2004 Fed AWB was lame, didn't prove anything or prevent anything. Same with the Chicago and DC handgun laws, DIDN'T DO ANYTHING to lower crime. Hence why the SCOTUS struck down at least one of those. The NRA always preach way gun-nut pro everything allowed, because of fear of Federal laws (no matter how small) leads to a slippery slope and more laws we don't need.

CONCENTRATE INSTEAD on putting the marijuana drug war billions of $$$, into MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING & TREATMENT. That's a better start than to armed guards at every school and principles with rifles.

Btw, that InfoWars guy (Alex Jones) linked by Salaza, totes ALL CURRENT latest conspiracy theories, from Aliens definitely built or helped with the Pyramids, to the "Loose Change" 9/11 set, the Bilderburg world-domination meetings by a few banking and rich corporations, UFO sightings are mostly real, and Obama is most definitely the Anti-christ or at least bringing about the Christian end-times. Many more, listen to his radio show sometimes, it's a hoot!

 

[Ghosty]

Awesome post from my Libertarian (obviously) friend B-man on CRN:

It isn't anyone's right, particularly the Government's, to tell you what kind of guns you can own. To be clear, the intention of the 2nd amendment is NOT for collectors, hunters, sportsmen, or anything else other than the sole and singular purpose to keep the government in check as a disarmed populace is nothing more than slaves to its master(s).

normally i'd insert a bevy of founders quotes here, but feel like whats the point, everyone has made up their respective minds, and in the aftermath of 9/11 and the ensuing ****-job on individual liberties, whats the big deal about the 2nd amendment disappearing to a greater or lesser degree too? (cynicism talking). Then followed by a bunch of statistics showing that individuals and children are hurt by far more things than firearm deaths of all kinds.

We cannot legislate away stupidity, insanity, evilness, and ignorance. That of course will do nothing to stop our well-intentioned representatives from acting stupidly.

 

[master NooB]

Sad to hear about your situation but the heedless comparisons about cars and guns carry no water. Changing the subject and comparing two completely different things makes absolutely no sense.

What my comparison was was it doesn't matter if a sick person has a handgun or a car or a knife! If someone wants to kill someone they will do it! Plains on 9/11 were taken over by box cutters... So there is a comparison to be made that cars are more deadly in America than guns! The simple fact is, that at no time can any of us be fully prepared for some horrible tragedy one of my best friends got run over by a Honda civic coming out of a bar in fort Collins because the kid didn't like the fact that his girl friend was flirting with my friend! I had my kimber in my jeep not 40 feet away but I couldn't protect him... So just because that guy didn't have a gun didn't mean he couldn't kill my friend... It's not gun control or car control we need! It's people control! There are no morals left in society and that's our issue IMO. And no need what so ever to be sorry about my situation, I take pride on the fact that I protected my family! If I didn't have my gun in my room knowing exactly how to use it, god knows what would have happened! Forget about just robbing me stuff can be replaced but they could have raped my girlfriend or killed us! In my opinion if someone comes in to my house unwelcomed armed posing a threat to me and my loved ones than I should drop them so they cant harm us and so they don't do it to anyone else!

 

[Ghosty]

So just because that guy didn't have a gun didn't mean he couldn't kill my friend... It's not gun control or car control we need! It's people control! There are no morals left in society and that's our issue IMO.

And put all those billions WASTED on MJ drug war, into MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT AND SCREENING.

 

[jahmic]

Edited for work reasons...sorry.

More than happy to discuss my opinion in face-face conversation.