R2R is littered with this same argument. I'm actually impressed, we are keeping it far more civil than they did. I think they are CAO and I think I could sell them as CAO and R2R peps would buy them. Having said this, I've never see seen a pic of one that people seem to unanimously agree upon.... thus how would anyone know? I did see the pic on zoanthids.com and for my money it was the same as these, but again there was a huge debate on R2R on whether those were really CAO as well. DV3 its not nice to keep sevrets! i want to know, what you know, that I dont.